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Joe Piscopo and Paul Sorvino |
I could go into
more theories about the state of musicals in film, divulge more information
about the film’s plot or list the impressive amount of talent gathered in this
small film, including Erika Christensen, Eddie Griffin, Jonathan Slavin, Louis
Lombardi and many more, but I’m somewhat frightened of the possibility that
co-writer Jay Black may review this article, as he did for Chris Packham's in The Village
Voice this past week.For the complete Village Voice review and subsequent review
of the review, click HERE.
After watching How Sweet It Is, I had a conversation with Herzlinger about the
film and his thoughts on musicals. We ended up talking in the afternoon on
Mother’s Day, which is quite fitting considering the fact that I brought my
mother as my guest when reviewing My Date
With Drew (2004) nearly ten years ago. There is also the nostalgic feeling
I found myself having while watching How
Sweet It Is. There are many aspects of the film, from costuming and
production design to the story itself, which are reminiscent of a bygone era of
movie musicals. My mother’s mother made it a family tradition to watch Easter Parade (1948) every Easter Sunday
with the family. We have carried the tradition on each Easter, even after she
passed, and I have always had a warm place in my heart for those classic
musicals ever since. I, for one, am grateful to see a little life brought back
to the genre.
Question: How involved were you in the
post-production process? Were you involved with the editing of How Sweet It Is?
Brian Herzlinger: I’m always involved in the editing
in my films. I come from post-production, so when I’m in the production of the
actual film I’m always doing it with post-production in mind, knowing what
pieces I need in order to fill the puzzle that is editing. When I’m doing a
movie, I always feel like I’m making three movies for every one; the movie on
the page, the one you shoot, and the one you edit. Because it’s an organic
process, though I’m still telling the story, I find new ways to tell it in
post-production. And I love that. My editor Blake Barrie is a great guy and a
great editor. He’s edited three of my projects already and How Sweet It Is was the first one. It was a particularly difficult
film to edit because of the music numbers and I was very adamant about getting
a lot of footage for the musical numbers to make them feel big and that was all
calculated edits in post-production to make it all work. I’m very happy with
how it turned out.
Q: Speaking of the musical aspects of
the film, I felt like there was a classical vibe to the storyline. It reminded
me more of older musicals than anything modern. Was that what you were going
for? Were there any influences guiding you, or were you going for something
completely new in terms of musicals?
B.H.: No, you hit it on the head. I
definitely was going for an homage to the older style musicals. Matt Dahan was on from the beginning. We had numerous conversations about song and musical styles, and I couldn't be more thankful to Matt for the terrific job he did on Sweet. The songs for Sweet are all original, and Matt's abilities are equally so. I love the MGM
musicals where you know they’re on a stage, where you have this big background
and so forth. Even in The Wizard of Oz
you get that backdrop as opposed to being outside in a real environment. I love
that feel. I love that stage feel. West Side
Story is one of my favorites. As far as source material, [How Sweet It Is] was not a musical when
it first came to me. When Jay and I were asked to write the script it was just
a straight-out comedy. I didn’t love the way the material was turning out as a
straightforward comedy, and I thought this story and this material about Jack
Cosmo lent itself to a musical. I was able to pitch that to the financiers and
the producers and they agreed and let me go for it. I was just really happy,
because Jack’s story was meant to be told as a musical. And for me, that was a
dream come true, because I was dying to do a musical. I love them. My favorite
musical is Grease, you know? I just
really wanted to get the opportunity to tell a story through that medium. In
terms of influences, I sat down with the choreographer (Sarah Scherger), the
director of photography (Akis Konstantakopoulos), and production designer (Niko
Vilaivongs) and showed scenes from my favorite musicals. The “Welcome to Show
Biz, Kid” number with Jack was influenced by Bob Fosse just in terms of a look
and style. It’s a much darker and starkly lit, and with the top hat it has an All That Jazz kind of feel. The movie
starts very timeless, it feels like it could be the ‘30s, from the wardrobe
down to the production design. Jack’s wearing a fedora and his wardrobe was
specifically designed to look classic. You don’t even know we’re in modern day
until he uses his cell phone to call his daughter. And as the movie progresses,
it gets more colorful. The color palette becomes more a Skittles explosion by
the time we get to the “Bite of Our Lives” number, and that was something we
designed from the beginning. We were working on a limited budget and a limited
schedule, because it was a small movie, and so there are things you have to
calculate to make it feel as big as it is in your head. That was something that
was always a challenge. The idea was that he has to put on a show in this
deserted strip club, so we knew we weren’t going to be able to do a big Radio City
Music Hall musical kind of thing, so it was a very calculated maneuver to keep
it contained in the first two acts with the musical numbers. And I feel that
through the musical numbers at the end there you see what Jack’s ability has
been, what everybody has been talking about, that he was this awesome producer
and he rediscovers that. So, yeah, the musical numbers were definitely
influenced and intended to be an homage to the classic musicals, to my favorite musicals.
Q: In the opening shots you have some
very realistic footage of L.A., with skid row and some less glamorous areas.
Was L.A. always a part of the conception when you were writing this film or was
it a choice because of budgetary concerns?
B.H.: It wasn’t even about location. It
was not about the location; it was about the reality. I was very adamant about
getting the footage of real people in those situations in all kinds of life. So
you’ll see there are people in business attire, going to work, doing the grind.
There’s homeless people, there’s people getting arrested. It’s just a really
gritty, kind of industrial feel, which I wanted because I wanted to establish
Jack as being in that kind of a world, at least in his head. I just wanted to
ground the fun we’re going to have with a reminder that there’s heart here,
there’s a reality here and you’ve got to care about these guys.
Q: Tell me about the cast. You’ve got
an incredible list of talent. How did they all fall into place?
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Joe Piscopo as Jack Cosmo |
B.H.: The key to it was finding the right
Jack. Going back to what I said, I love musicals, and Mary Poppins was one of my favorites. I really wanted to get Dick
Van Dyke. I thought, how cool would that be? Dick Van Dyke playing Jack Cosmo!
The problem was that the role is so demanding physically, and the whole thing
rides on Jack. I quickly swayed myself that that wasn’t a good idea. My writing
partner Jack Black and I grew up together and one of our favorite movies was
Johnny Dangerously (1984). The idea is for the character of Jack is, “Where
have you gone? What happened? You used to be in the spotlight and then you just
disappeared.” Big Mike even says that to Jack in a scene. And we were
wondering, “What happened to Joe Piscopo?” I know he’s been performing, but
it’s been a long time since he’s done a movie. Anyway, we love Joe. We talked
to the producers about it and we made the offer to Joe, and that was something
Jay and I were really excited about. For me, I wanted to show something that
people haven’t been able to see Joe do. And the balance of the act was finding
someone who could sing and dance, do the drama, do the comedy…And Joe delivered
in spades. I think everybody will see a Joe Piscopo they haven’t seen before,
and I’m really excited about that.
Q: You mentioned both your love of
comedy, which has been long-lasting, and your friendship with Jay. I would love
to hear the story of how you and Jay met.
B.H.: Oh, that’s a great story. We met in
fourth grade in the lunch line. Helen L. Beeler Elementary School. He was
talking to somebody in front of me about body cavity searches, and the guy
didn’t know what it was. And I knew exactly what he was talking about. It was a
quote from Police Academy 2: The First
Assignment.
So I’m like, “BCS? You talking about Police Academy 2?” He was like, “Yeah!” I’m like “Police Academy 2! It was awesome.” And
that was the beginning. Instant friendship. As a matter of a fact, our
production company is called BCS Entertainment based on that. Jay’s amazing. He’s
the number one college comedian in the country. He’s a brilliant writer and I’m
lucky to have him as my partner. He’s just so good at dialogue. My strength is
structure and massaging what he does, from a dialogue perspective, but he’s the
driving force in the writing. He’s a great guy and a great friend.
Q: When did your mutual love of Police
Academy and comedy turn into collaboration in writing and filmmaking?
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Jay Black and Brian Herzlinger |
B.H.: Well, that’s kind of two separate
things. I’ve always wanted to make movies. Jay hasn’t always wanted to make
movies. He always wanted to do stand-up. That was his life dream and he
achieved that life dream right around the same time that I achieved mine, when
I made my first film, My Date With Drew.
After My Date With Drew we had a
conversation about starting to write together. And the first script we wrote
together was called Three for the Road. It was a road trip comedy and it was
such and amazingly awesome and productive experience. We had a blast, and so
we’ve been writing since 2005. Although, technically we wrote together in 1988.
Bar Trek in which we spoofed "Star Trek" and had them all drunk. It’s been a
blast. For me, its been a search of putting the best team together, putting a
dream team together to make my movies. For How Sweet It Is I found a wonderful
director of photography, a wonderful editor and a wonderful casting director.
You just start to put together these different pieces that you need in order to
surround yourself with a team that can pull it off. I loved the cast. They were
all terrific. They all came ready to play, they came prepared, giving 150
percent to the project, from Joe all the way down. Jay and I wrote a pilot for
Paul Sorvino based on what he did with Big Mike. We decided to do a more
grounded story about a mob boss and we wrote a pilot. The financiers are Rick
Finkelstein and Steve Chase did How Sweet It Is. They are just terrific guys
and I have a wonderful relationship with them, a wonderful partnership and they
financed the pilot and we made “Paulie,” which is our half-hour pilot with Paul
Sorvino, Janeane Garofalo and Michael Madsen. Jay and I wrote and Jay and I
produced it and I directed. Creatively, it was an amazing experience, and that
all stems from How Sweet It Is. And I’m proud to say that I have Joe Piscopo as
a good friend now. It’s all about the people you meet. Erich Bergen, who plays
Ethan; this was his first film and he knocked it out of the park, and he’s a
great guy. Unfortunately for him, he and I are a lot alike, so we have a blast
catching up. We’re good friends now too. It’s part of the creative process.
Some of the best side effects are the relationships you get after you’re
through working with somebody. And it’s something that I’m very aware of and
thankful for. You’re just got to keep surrounding yourself with the people you
want to work with and be with, and that’s one of my goals. I learned that from
David Kelly. When I first came to L.A. in ’97, I was a production assistant on
a TV show called “Chicago Hope” with him and Bill D’Elia, my mentor. Once you
find someone you want to work with, you keep them around.
Q: One last question about Jay, because
I can’t resist. I read Chris Packham’s review in The Village Voice, as well as
Jay’s review. I have to say, I thought it was spectacular. I wanted to give Jay
a standing ovation. But I’d love to hear your thoughts on it.
B.H.: He asked me if he should post it,
and I was like, “You know what, do it. What the hell.” We work in a business
that’s a court of opinion. That’s all it is. All they care about is that you
pay the money to see the movie to make your opinion. They don’t care whether
it’s good or bad. They just want to get your money. Jay took it a little harder
than I did. When my first reviews for My
Date With Drew came out, we got really beautiful reviews... mostly. We were Fresh Tomato Certified
but there were some critics who didn’t like My Date With Drew, and I thought,
“How does anybody with a soul not like My Date With Drew?” And it was
Entertainment Weekly. Owen Gleiberman loved Dukes of Hazzard with Johnny
Knoxville and Sean William Scott. He loved that movie. Gave it a B plus or
something, and gave My Date With Drew
a D! He not only bashed the movie, but he bashed me and called me a charm-less
gasbag. At that moment, that hurt. I was like, “I might be a gasbag, but I’ve
got charm.” My mom and dad wrote a strongly worded letter to Owen at
Entertainment Weekly, but after that it doesn’t get to me. But it got to Jay
and I was like, “Yeah, do it. Have a blast.” I see how the movie plays and I
have not been in a screening of How Sweet
It Is where the audience has not really liked it. That’s what I care about.
I care about the people who are choosing to spend their money to see it. That’s all.
Q: You mentioned your family’s support
when you got bad reviews, so I’m assuming they will be seeing your film this
weekend. It opens in L.A., New York and New Jersey, correct? Which are you most
excited about?
B.H.: My parents are seeing How Sweet It
Is right now! They’re going to see it on Mother’s Day and Joe Piscopo is taking
his mother to see it today as well. Where do I care about it opening? I was
born in Brooklyn, New York, my childhood was all in Jersey and I’ve been in
L.A. since ’97, so I care about all three. At least, that’s the fairest answer
I can give. But if the thing opens in Pacoima, I would care about them as much
as anybody else. It’s an interesting experience when you put yourself out there
creatively. The only thing you can do is make a movie for yourself and the
movie you would want to see. Because you can try and please everybody else and
you’re just going to end up getting disappointed. It’s always about having a
story to tell and being able to do that in the way you think the story should
be told. That’s what I do, and if somebody doesn’t like it, that’s fine. That’s
absolutely fine. You don’t have to like it. I made a movie called Baby on
Board. There are things I would do differently with that film, but I still
enjoy watching that movie. There are scenes in there that make me laugh out
loud.. And the film had mixed reviews. I think it’s all about creating voices the audience can tap into, and
hopefully what you are doing, the people who are giving their hard earned money
are going to like it.
Q: So, having made a documentary, tackled comedy and now having completed your first musical, what is next?
B.H.: I'm very excited about a few projects I have coming up. My first project is called "The Death House." Jay Black and I wrote the script, Rick Finkelstein and Steven Chase, who produced How Sweet It Is, are producing along with Tony Oppedisano and Michael Guarnera. It's an awesome project that we describe as The Expendables of horror, with a multitude of iconic horror actors attached, including Gunnar Hansen (Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre), Robert Englund (Freddy Krueger from A Nightmare on Elm Street), Doug Bradley (Pinhead from Hellraiser), Bill Moseley (The Devil's Rejects, House of 1,000 Corpses), Dee Wallace (The Howling, E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial), Barbara Crampton (Re-Animator, From Beyond), Danny Trejo (Machete, Planet Terror) and many more. I'm as big a fan of horror as I am of musicals, so I'm excited to get into production this summer!